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Post by fasteddie » Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:22 am

Anybody get the sunday world today? I cant find the story online to find a link. But there was a two page spread about Belmayne most of the stuff in it was the usual about the town centre! But one thing I didnt like they made it sound like the slums in here ! I know we have a few issues here but its harley a run town kip ! I dont know but Im glad I bought here and wouldnt change!
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Re: Sunday World

Post by eng » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:46 am

Yeah I seen it and I'm not too happy about it. Stuff like this is going to give the area a bad name. It talked about "the sound of stolen cars being raced through the estate".....since when? I know we had some problems with boyracers last year, and a burnt out car, but these are small isolated instances. That was only a few nights and hardly of interest to a national newspaper. This article makes Belmayne sound like South Central LA on a bad night.

It also mentions a "criminal element intruding on our lives". Could someone explain this one to me please? I know some cars have been broken into recently, but that's petty stuff and could happen anywhere. It happened to my wife's car when we lived in Clontarf before we moved in here.

It then goes on about the town centre not being developed and complains about a chipper going in. Show me a town that doesn't have a chipper. Whilst I'm not thrilled about it going in I do accept that where there is a town there will be businesses like chippers. It goes with the territory unfortunately.

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Re: Sunday World

Post by confused » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:13 am

I agree with both previous posts. It was a ridiculous article that dramatised everything that has happened in the estate. What estate doesn't get robbed cars? (I don't know any) What underground car park hasn't been broken into? I stayed in the coast and clongriffin and now live in Belmayne and all 3 have been broken into. I didn't see any article in the Sunday world about the coast! It even said the estate was more darndale than malahide! I feel like emailing that journalist this morning and asking him what the xxxx was he at? And as for the resident that gave the story (there were 2 and the second resident was more positive) go on off and live on millionaires row or buy a house on the highest point of Howth Summit and see if you can manage better up there. As if people haven't enough problems! I love my house and am very happy in Belamyne and even am looking forward to a pizza place opening up! What did you expect? A four season’s hotel? I know we were promised all sorts but we will just have to make do until things get better. No point in gobbing off to a journalist! Especially ones that are completely one sided! And as for the sexy advertising hoarding, get over it! It's gone about a year. Old news!

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Re: Sunday World

Post by Linda » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:33 am

i have read the aritcle also - it is disgraceful that someone living in belmayne could go about with such lies - saying that they have to keep their windows closed because of the racket - i reckon their neighbours have grand theft auto on full volume on PS as Belmayne is more like a ghost town these days, we did have the odd boyracer but this happens everywhere. I have the article but it wont allow me to upload it here. If anyone wants a copy PM me and i can email to you. We are one of the first in Belmayne and it is a lovely place to live, and the majority of the neighbours are great but you always get the odd one that should be living on an island on their own.

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Re: Sunday World

Post by ceo » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:40 am

Hi guys,

The media are loving the downfall of the estates launched with fanfare in the boom years. No more so than Belmayne which has much to do with the preposterous hoarding that went up on launch. That will be doing the rounds for years as an example of the madness of “property porn”. What the media don’t understand is that real communities live here. But it is up to you guys to counter all this and prevent the estates of the northern fringe from being negatively affected by this type of coverage.

First off though you need to get your own house in order and it starts with your website. Some of the article probably got information from this website (I haven't read it but judging from the comments here) . Have a look around this site… take the general discussion forum I see the following:

  • Gardai
  • Burnt out car in Belmayne
  • Speeding
  • Hub caps stolen
  • Attempted Motor Bike Robbery Belmayne Park


Clearly this does not give a good impression.

And then there are the less obvious ones like the thread about the chipper which when you look in has people worrying about hoods hanging around.

None of this is any worse than half the city has to contend with from time to time. So why let it “out there” for reporters and prospective buyers to see. These community forums should be exclusively for helping each other out, promoting strong community and getting to know your neighbours. It should not be a record of all the bad things that happen in the area. If you want to get help or information on something like a robbery or anti-social behavior or whatever stick it in a private forum and get rid of it when the issue has been sorted. Do you think every area in the city keep a list nailed to the entrance with every incident of criminal activity that occurs in the area. Because effectively this is what you are doing here.

So think about what you are posting and ask your admins, mods to clean this site up and get your house in order. It’s your livelihood that is at stake.

Just some friendly advice from you neighbour up the road in Clongriffin.

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Re: Sunday World

Post by smallcloud » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:05 pm

Just read the article thanks to Linda fowarding it to me. I am less than impressed by it. I really would love to write a letter of complaint to the sunday world for more or less disgracing the name of our neighbourhood.
Yes some of us spent our hard earned money to live here and I do think the estate is maintained quiet well despite the fact a lot remains unfinished and many of the properties lay unoccupied. I would still rather my next door neighbours be ghosts than to allow DCC to use it for social housing. I have never seen joy riders in the area if they do exist. How do they expect to sell these remaining units if people are reading this trash and lies in the sunday world.
That resident should hang their head in shame, and realise that every area in Dublin has social problems and thankfully we have not encountered anything as such here.

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Re: Sunday World

Post by gqma0 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:58 pm

I haven't read the article but I can not say bad things about Belmayne. It's a quiet estate in my opinion.

I jog a few times a week in the area and I don't see any troubles at all. No boyracers or delinquencies.
My kids also play in the Belmayne playground and I have friends and neighbours there.

this journalist obviously didn't do his homework properly if the facts are not right and you should complain to the newspaper news@sundayworld.com is the only email address I found

I don't read this newspaper but isn't it a trash newspaper ? Only read the Irish times and Irish independent


The few burnt out cars were actually outside the estate as far as I recall

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Re: Sunday World

Post by gqma0 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:20 pm

ceo wrote:Hi guys,

The media are loving the downfall of the estates launched with fanfare in the boom years. No more so than Belmayne which has much to do with the preposterous hoarding that went up on launch. That will be doing the rounds for years as an example of the madness of “property porn”. What the media don’t understand is that real communities live here. But it is up to you guys to counter all this and prevent the estates of the northern fringe from being negatively affected by this type of coverage.

First off though you need to get your own house in order and it starts with your website. Some of the article probably got information from this website (I haven't read it but judging from the comments here) . Have a look around this site… take the general discussion forum I see the following:

  • Gardai
  • Burnt out car in Belmayne
  • Speeding
  • Hub caps stolen
  • Attempted Motor Bike Robbery Belmayne Park


Clearly this does not give a good impression.

And then there are the less obvious ones like the thread about the chipper which when you look in has people worrying about hoods hanging around.

None of this is any worse than half the city has to contend with from time to time. So why let it “out there” for reporters and prospective buyers to see. These community forums should be exclusively for helping each other out, promoting strong community and getting to know your neighbours. It should not be a record of all the bad things that happen in the area. If you want to get help or information on something like a robbery or anti-social behavior or whatever stick it in a private forum and get rid of it when the issue has been sorted. Do you think every area in the city keep a list nailed to the entrance with every incident of criminal activity that occurs in the area. Because effectively this is what you are doing here.

So think about what you are posting and ask your admins, mods to clean this site up and get your house in order. It’s your livelihood that is at stake.

Just some friendly advice from you neighbour up the road in Clongriffin.

Cheers


Hi ceo,

I more or less agree with you on this one, at least with the media in search of stories.

However, It's by reporting incidents among neigbours that we are all more aware of what's going on around here since people don't even interact with their neighbours these days. We had a few incidents in St Samson's as well but this is not to generalise that this is a bad area. Since these have been reported, we had less happening overtime.

I believe irish people are very naive and don't think of wrong doing in leaving their jacket hanging just outside a glass door with probably the car keys in, nor leaving their mobile phones or GPS in the car. This is not specifically to Belmayne but I still see houses or know people who leave their laptop in evidence on a table in reach. Some others have their 42'' LCD TV on a Window sill. Even when I drop my kids to school, there are still mothers leaving their handbag in the car while they drop their kids.

I mean all these are easy targets. Don't advertise it.

I'm originally from Paris and people would think of doing these things above as they happen everyday, still you wouldn't categorize Paris as a no go.

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Re: Sunday World

Post by ceo » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:54 pm

However, It's by reporting incidents among neigbours that we are all more aware of what's going on around here since people don't even interact with their neighbours these days. We had a few incidents in St Samson's as well but this is not to generalise that this is a bad area. Since these have been reported, we had less happening overtime


True gqma0, one needs to report incidents so people can be vigilant. But you have to weigh up the pros and cons. Anyway, there is a solution which requires just a little work on behalf of the site administrator. Create a private forum for registered users for the discussion of issues pertaining to security and neighbourhood watch. So if someone sees something untoward or required information they can run it by their neighbours. However... after a time when the incident has been noted, responded to, or dealt with by the relevant authorities why leave it hanging around? Set a timeframe of a set number of weeks after which if nobody had responded to the topic it is automatically deleted from the board. It is called a prune and can easily be set-up by an administrator. So you have the best of both worlds... you alert your neighbours to trouble, or get information on an incident and when it's all over you get rid of the "bad press" so to speak.

Anyway, it's up to yereselves but I think it is a good policy for online neighbourhood forums.
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Re: Sunday World

Post by gqma0 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:59 pm

ceo wrote:
However, It's by reporting incidents among neigbours that we are all more aware of what's going on around here since people don't even interact with their neighbours these days. We had a few incidents in St Samson's as well but this is not to generalise that this is a bad area. Since these have been reported, we had less happening overtime


True gqma0, one needs to report incidents so people can be vigilant. But you have to weigh up the pros and cons. Anyway, there is a solution which requires just a little work on behalf of the site administrator. Create a private forum for registered for the discussion of issues pertaining to security and neighbourhood watch. So if someone sees something untoward or required information they can run it by their neighbours. However... after a time when the incident has been noted, responded to, or dealt with by the relevant authorities why leave it hanging around? Set a timeframe of a set number of weeks after which if nobody had responded to the topic it is automatically deleted from the board. It is called a prune and can easily be set-up by an administrator. So you have the best of both worlds... you alert your neighbours to trouble, or get information on an incident and when it's all over you get rid of the "bad press" so to speak.

Anyway, it's up to yereselves but I think it is a good policy for online neighbourhood forums.


:wink: Nice one. I see you're an expert there. I'll inform the admin about this.
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Re: Sunday World

Post by susand » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:52 pm

Guys this is our community every single resident here, its up to us to make it the best for which I am so far very proud of. What kind of looney goes to the papers with such rubbish. This is a young community instead of looking for what is wrong lets all try promote the positives. Ime very hurt by these rediculous comments in the Sunday rag and shall be writing to them, its very close to slander!

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Re: Sunday World

Post by fasteddie » Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:20 pm

Your right Susan I am really let down that a resident would go to a national newspaper and drag the estate through the mud!!
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Re: Sunday World

Post by blackstudio » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:34 am

ceo wrote:Hi guys,

The media are loving the downfall of the estates launched with fanfare in the boom years. No more so than Belmayne which has much to do with the preposterous hoarding that went up on launch. That will be doing the rounds for years as an example of the madness of “property porn”. What the media don’t understand is that real communities live here. But it is up to you guys to counter all this and prevent the estates of the northern fringe from being negatively affected by this type of coverage.

First off though you need to get your own house in order and it starts with your website. Some of the article probably got information from this website (I haven't read it but judging from the comments here) . Have a look around this site… take the general discussion forum I see the following:

  • Gardai
  • Burnt out car in Belmayne
  • Speeding
  • Hub caps stolen
  • Attempted Motor Bike Robbery Belmayne Park


Clearly this does not give a good impression.

And then there are the less obvious ones like the thread about the chipper which when you look in has people worrying about hoods hanging around.

None of this is any worse than half the city has to contend with from time to time. So why let it “out there” for reporters and prospective buyers to see. These community forums should be exclusively for helping each other out, promoting strong community and getting to know your neighbours. It should not be a record of all the bad things that happen in the area. If you want to get help or information on something like a robbery or anti-social behavior or whatever stick it in a private forum and get rid of it when the issue has been sorted. Do you think every area in the city keep a list nailed to the entrance with every incident of criminal activity that occurs in the area. Because effectively this is what you are doing here.

So think about what you are posting and ask your admins, mods to clean this site up and get your house in order. It’s your livelihood that is at stake.

Just some friendly advice from you neighbour up the road in Clongriffin.

Cheers



Hi just to be sure are you suggesting that the Sunday World used this Website to gather information to make up their article?


I would not be so quick to make that claim.


What we have here is a Balgriffin.com website, the moderators are from the St Samsons area only and are from Balgriffin management company 1, the Belmayne area is Balgriffin management company 2 and we operate differently, we have sections for each area and it is people who post up their concerns, to me everyone is entitled to have their opinions, there are some people who are not happy with Belmayne and there are people who are very happy.... is it not important to allow all concerns to be posted freely.

We are not representatives for Belmayne we are moderating a forum for Balgriffin.
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Re: Sunday World

Post by doreilly » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:44 am

The brains behind the article can be contacted directly. His email is: Cathal.oshea@sundayworld.com

I would suggest you all send him an email to voice your opinions like I will be doing later today.

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Re: Sunday World

Post by ceo » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:11 am

Hey blackstudio look… I am not trying to get up anyone’s nose here just making an observation about your forum. The online community forum is a pretty new development and can be a force for great good in the community. But it can also drag a place down. Have a look around the web… many online forums are full of bitching and a legacy of everything that goes wrong in the area. Even if the majority is positive information what do people usually zone in on? You want your development to grow and mature so that it will be a nice place to live, bring up a family or whatever. And you want to portray Belmayne as a good neighbourhood, which it is… many here will attest to that. But, what do you think a prospective buyer is going to think when they look on here and see posts about joyriders, robberies and burnt out cars? That’s right, they will walk away and Belmayne will suffer for it because this site will deter buyers. Free speech and entitlement to an opinion is one thing but if you stick up and unwarranted flag saying “don’t come here, it’s a crime ridden no-go area” then you and your neighbours will be the worse for it. It is unrepresentative of the area to leave this stuff hanging around in threads. This kind of crime happens in many communities with no online record for the world to see. Go and have a look at sites for the likes of Ashtown and Adamstown and it does not make for pretty reading from the outside even though they are fine places to live.

As regards your specific question re. me suggesting that the reporter got the info for his article from here. I actually got to read the article last night and I now think he probably didn’t. But you know if he had found this site he would have been like a pig in s*hit and would have listed verbatim what I did above. It would have furthered his aim to gloat and drag Belmayne through the mud. Over on the Clongriffin Residents website we have had reporters register and browse around on three separate occasions so far and the site is only live since last July. You think they won’t find their way here at some stage for research? Type Balgriffin into Google and the first site that comes up is this.

Look… I’m on your side here and was just offering some advice on how to run your community website effectively. It is my opinion that the users of many online resident’s forums are inadvertently shooting themselves in the foot and will live to regret it when they add to the perception that their estate is a bad area. Just think about… it’s basic PR when you break it down.

You can take my advice or leave it… or maybe see what your users think. But by the looks of it Belmayne needs to get on the offensive and promote itself positively and your resident’s website should not be excluded from this campaign. Just be careful what you put out there is all I am saying as you are not giving yourself a level playing field.

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